Sunday 23 February 2014

Arnab Goswami : No.1 Item Boy of Hinglish Media





I have an explanation to make in the wake of the television debate on Times Now on 20 February 2014 which has raised a lot of heat in Tamil Nadu and elsewhere. To friends who have been advising me and telling me that I should have controlled my emotions on Times Now there are a few things that I need to explain. 
Let me start by recalling what happened.

After CNN IBN show on Wednesday in which I participated and resisted Rajdeep Sardesai's views on prime time debate defending the release of seven Tamils over a much disputed Rajiv assassination case conclusion, I received a call from Times Now the next day, early in the morning. This is the first time a Delhiwala from prime time news had sought me out to join the national debate, though it is the second show after CNN-IBN, also a national channel, (which I would prefer to call as a Hinglish channel rather than English). Also given that they prefer to ignore us as non-mainstream (even if we are the mainstream) and prefer to call Subramanian Swamy as the mainstream. It is not as if I do not know how to debate and I also been on debates in Tamil News channels where the discussions have always remained cordial even with those who differ from my points of view. But about that later. So, naturally I did wonder why I was being called by Times Now! Knowing how other activists in North India had gotten treated by Arnab, I had to be prepared. 


Given Arnab's debating track record, my reasons were simple. I also did suspect that Arnab may have wanted to snub the guy whom Rajdeep couldn’t. I had to be prepared for that too, even if I wished to keep an open mind towards debate in a national television. Given the sensitive nature of the subject we were to deal with and the brazen ignorance of the North Indians to the issues of Tamil Nadu, I had to work at his game plan for the debate. With the Television screen coming alive on the debate with words to the effect of "assassins," "terrorist sympathizers" and the lot, I was sure it was not going to be a honest debate, again given Arnab's track record on fixing the point of view ahead of the debate and sticking to it.

Now, something on the previous night with Rajdeep; - at the debate, I had informed the nation that “calling those (declared to be released) as terrorists is a contempt of the court (The SC did not call the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi as a terrorist act and was explicit in its interpretation)  and sought to debate as to where the evidence was on gaining politically by freeing those lodged in prison for over two decades." Rajdeep did not have an answer. In fact, he ignored me after that question and went on with his previously decided conclusions which also went to the nation as scrolls under the television screen again crying "politics over terror." 
Arnab, had already named his debate topic as "Saving Terrorists for Political Gains". It was already running on the screens for the nation to see. I understood that the sole idea was to snub our point of view. I did my little homework to face his challenge. Checked out his methods of debating where there is a clear pattern in which he subdues his rivals (or whom he thinks as rivals).

He is used to charging at his panelists with some ridiculous  or rubbish questions. While the panelist understands the trap and starts answering that question, Arnab will interrupt within few seconds (mostly after 8-10 seconds).  By the time you are pronouncing  your third or fourth sentence (or sometimes the second) you will be loaded with couple of other atrocious question / charges that will provoke you. You will find yourself cornered for a wrong question or a comment that shows you in a bad light to the viewers. You will get confused. And you don’t know which question should you answer first to stop the torrent of slur.
And most importantly, he will portray the fundamental values of the panelist's political / social stand in a very depraved light, if he so chooses. You would be made to be seen as anti-judicial, anti-government, anti-law, and unethical person / activist and so on. Even as you prepare yourself to answer, he will switch on to another guest to justify his  (Arnab’s) own stand (Mostly he will go to the guy who supports his stand, like Subramanian Swamy in the case of Tamils issue. And Swamy is arrogantly anti-People so is anti-Tamil). It is noticeable that he always keeps a person who strongly advocates his point of view and gives him uninterrupted time to explain his stand. He never embarrasses  ‘them’. Not only that, he will make sure that nobody with a point of view clashing with his (Arnab's) own cross examine these people beyond a point.  And he will consolidate his point of view as the winning opinion. Then he endorses that ‘opinion’ as a public feeling and call it as  ‘the democratic view of the nation’.

At the end of the debate, you will find yourself humiliated for not answering the hard questions or the slur. But the worst part is that, you couldn’t put forward the views you prepared yourself for / you came for / you are fighting for.  End of the day if you go back and check the Youtube record, you would see that you were given hardly few seconds or minutes to talk about your view. But overall, for a common viewer, Arnab won the case despite you putting up a strong fight. And he ends up thrusting some senseless point of view / chauvinist view to the viewers.  You are villain, he is always the hero no matter what the debating point is. Story ends happily.

 Arnab's arithmetic is simple. Let’s give it a close look.
1.       Name the debate in a completely biased manner that would trigger a chauvinist view point to emerge. 
2.       Call some activist and make him an ‘opponent’ to the debate’s point of view.
3.       Raise some ridiculous point as the ‘celebrated’ democratic view.
4.       Ask some absurd / out-of-context question to the ‘opponent’.
5.       While he / she was trying to answer him, interrupt him with one more question.
6.       Don’t allow him to answer the first one.
7.       Load with some more questions to divert him / upset him / ridicule him.
8.       Don’t allow him to answer all those hard bizarre points in the questions.
9.       Call other panelist who supports his (Arnab’s) view and  strengthen by offering him uninterrupted time to talk.
10.   Announce to the viewers that the ‘opponent’ point is not acceptable as there is no rationale. 
11.   He will then move on to another (absurd) question.
12.   He will make sure that you don’t answer the previous unanswered questions.
13.   Move on to an entirely new subject with other guest.
14.   Make sure the camera will not come to you for next 10-15 minutes.
15.   While you were thinking about the previous unanswered questions, he will ask you some more ridiculous questions. And behave like hysteric with his badgering. 
16.   He will make sure that you will be lost in the noise raised by Mr. Anchor.
17.   He will make sure you lose your cool.
18.   His chauvinist view wins and you will be branded as a lost soul filled with chauvinist ideals.
19.   Repeat the above according to different situation.

This is what I could see as his method to conduct the show and hunt people.
As expected, he made me to wait for nearly 40 odd  minutes from the time debate started. Not even one minute was spent on us. It’s the same old trick that our School headmaster uses on students. They call you for some inquiry and make you to wait for inordinate time so that you lose your confidence and confuse yourself. The same kind of strategy was applied to me too. The discussion was to tame my point of view but I was not called to explain. The camera came to us, me and Elangovan, only after we raised hands and sought to intervene.

And the show will be over on the 55th minute or 60th minute depending upon Arnabs’ battles. So I clearly understood his game that he will not give me enough time to explain our position or the ‘new’ views that the nation ‘should know’.  He will interrupt me while I was talking after 8th or 10th second and he will quickly move on to next guy. And it will go to the next 4 or 5 guests.  And he will articulate his point of view in the process and he ends the show without allowing me to either answer the ‘topic’ of the debate nor to raise ‘new’ views.

Arnab then closes the show with the note “Terrorists should be punished and that’s what India wants now! Will the rulers listen to the voice of the nation? Will responsible people listen to the voice of the nation? Will they protect the security of the leaders and the nation? Will they show zero tolerance towards these kinds of heinous crimes? Will they punish the terrorists immediately without delay? Will justice be delivered to the people who were killed along with Rajiv …? Nation! nation! nation! nation! , Rajiv ! Rajiv! Rajiv! Rajiv ! That is all there is to the debate!

I did not want this twisting of the truth to happen to our point of view.  I knew he will hardly give me 10 seconds. (You cannot file a case in the court that he didn’t give you enough time, after all!). So I didn’t want to lose my case. I can’t afford to lose a crucial fight for justice to a man who runs a profitable media.
So I had to raise three new points to the viewers of North India. They are,
1.       There is something called Jain Commission that investigated Rajiv Murder case, which concluded that more investigation is needed to identify the real brain / real conspirators. This commission has accused Subramanian Swamy and points out that he needs to be further investigated.
2.       This is a high profile assassination; so an international angle is needed to understand who benefited out of it. It’s not a simple murder of revenge. The justice  Varma Commission report which investigated security lapses is still  missing.
3.       Arnab and his media are preventing the common people to see and discuss these real issues / perspective. And Arnab promotes the very person (Subramanian Swamy) who stands accused in the Rajiv killing. I accuse Arnab of giving enough and comfortable time to Subramanian Swamy to divert the nation. So, I accuse that there is a clever understanding between the two to divert the attention of the nation from these question. 
·         Who really killed Rajiv? and why he was killed? was never addressed by these electronic Hinglish media was the fundamental idea behind my argument.


If I could have been able to put this within the 10 seconds or so spared in the programme, then I would have considered myself as done. So, I had to drive my points full throttle. I realized while I was talking, my audio was getting reduced. I know that there is a panel of people working behind, in his studio, watching and controlling the debate’s direction and control the technical aspect.  They started lowering my voice output and controlled the audio level to the lowest.  
So I had to raise my voice. When you raise the voice, you will be seen as shouting and become emotional. Whenever I raised my voice, they either muted the audio or plugged out my mike.

Most importantly, I had to control Arnab not to divert the points I have raised or escape from the questions I had raised. He did try both. So I had to figuratively speaking, hold his collar by engaging with him verbally for some time. He also needed time for his team to find the international angle.
It is obvious, that his team worked very hard to find the international angle. I know that neither him nor his team read the Jain Commission Report, Verma Commission Report and gathered knowledge about Multi- Disciplinary Monitoring agency that was to investigate the international angle in the Rajiv Murder case. There is no way that he / his team could have come across warnings from Palestine leader Yasser Arafat about the danger to Rajiv’s life months before assassination. They never researched about the international geo-political perspective of the murder. They simply started the debate with shallow information and disruptive behavior towards experts.   He never goes through relevant documents or has relevant knowledge on subjects that he anchors. He has never been sincere to journalism. So his team came up with an irrelevant comical story about JFK and read the same without knowing what he was talking.

I applied his methods to keep him inside the purview of the points I raised, by ‘buzz’ing him so that he will not get out of my clutch. As I expected he was clueless about Jain commission and became restless. He tried to protect Subramanian Swamy but he doesn’t want it to be so obvious. So I kept hitting the same point.  Though I raised my voice to match the audio challenge, I never lost my cool.  He was confused at the end and he became silent. I posted my questions repeatedly to make him restless, to lose control over his show, typically how he does to others and in the process he couldn’t divert the points I  raised. That strategy worked.  He ended the show by stating that this was his most disappointing show.

Be it NEWS X or Headlines Today I chose to explain things and kept the debate in our perspective and I never lost my control or shouted at them. For the information of North Indian anchors, debates do happen in Tamil media to where I have also participated. Here they always chose to listen to what the ‘other’ side talks. They give enough time to activists to explain and respect their views. They don’t try to bully them or humiliate them. But this never happens with Times Now, and on the two days and with issues pertaining to Tamils and Tamil Nadu, CNN IBN, NDTV, and every other Hinglish news channel were one and the same. They are arrogant, unruly and misled the nation. They never question the establishment.  Pro-Establishment agenda is their agenda. Never attempt to expose big scams; high profile incidents; warcrimes / genocide / human rights violations. These anchors, some of them quite well known and celebrated, never commission an investigation into the details of important issues that trouble the nation or the interests of the people.  They don’t get into policy issues and challenge the wrong policies with appropriate knowledge, research or information. Their arguments are often irritating, offending, misleading, narrow, and hollow and give back nothing to the nation. They prepare the viewers for pseudo- nationalist jingoism. They are very careful that their debate should not enter into the fundamentals of the problems / issues. It’s a mirror form of the parliament where there is hardly a knowledgeable debate happening to protect the interests of the people.


Arnab’s and Rajdeep’s debates are meant to divert the middle class to non-issues and mislead them. As one of my media friends told me, these programs are “item songs” and Arnab is the No.1 ‘Item Boy’ of the media. That’s what the ‘nation wants to know now’. 



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Links to the Debate video : 

With Mr. Arnab Goswami     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Nr0nduA2k
With Mr.Rajdeep Sardesai   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEdjm4ZKW_c

Information that may interest you : Excerpts from the Judgement on Rajiv Gandhi Assassination.

Justice Thomas found it difficult to "conclude that the conspirators intended, at any time, to overawe the Government of India as by law established. Nor can we hold that the conspirators ever entertained an intention to strike terror in people or any section thereof."

Justice Wadhwa said: "There is nothing on record to show that the intention to kill Rajiv Gandhi was to overawe the Government."

Justice Quadri declined to maintain the conviction by the Designated Court for offences under TADA.


Was Rajiv Gandhi a Prime Minister at the time of Killing? 
But unfortunately Rajiv Gandhi was not then "a person bound by oath under the Constitution to uphold the sovereignty and integrity of India". Even the Lok Sabha stood dissolved months prior to this incident and hence it cannot be found that he was under an oath as a Member of Parliament.”


89 comments:

  1. I really admired the way you expressed the truth to the public. If you were polite i know how this item boy would have humiliated you and the entire Tamil nation. I feel satisfied that now we have some one who can defend our views strongly and loudly. The fact that these media jangos deny even to listen to our side which is the truth is really frustrating.

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  2. Respected Thirumurugan you made your views perfectly clear in the language in which they deserve.

    No, doubt these Hinglish media are anti-people and stooges of corporate and international governments.

    Arnab (Item boy of Hinglish media) and his team doesn't have courage to upload the full show both in his timesnow.tv website or in their youtube till this date... Maybe the Rajiv assassination conspirator Subramanian swamy begged him not to upload, may be uploading that video is against the business dealings between Arnab and Subramanian swamy. These jingoism manufacturers if they have courage and integrity must upload the full footage of the debate.

    Hinglish media is anti-people and their celebrated anchors and panelists on behaf of tamils like subramanian swamy, N.Ram, Cho Ramasamy are worst anti-people personalities who are the real fringe elements in TN, don't even represent 1% of TN...

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    1. perfectly clear in the language in which they deserve. // point !

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  3. Endorse these words completely. Even this is what we are also trying to make people understand bro . What you did was completely right. and as you said he was more focused in his very own pre-written script and one sided debate. Go ahead bro. we are with you. The nation wants to know a lot about tamil people now. This is the time that we should be stand together and give em a good lesson of WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WE REALLY ARE ! Truth Alone Triumphs !

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  4. You have explained your position very articulately. Very proud of what you did in the discussion. I applaud you for the dedicated homework. Standing up for what you believe in a public forum where the moderator is only there to goad you is a tremendous task. I wish you the very best in your future endeavours :-)

    amas32

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  5. Vanakam,

    (This is the message I sent on FB)

    I couldn't comment on your feeds hence messaging you..I have seen you few times on tv shows and didnt knew much about you untill recently.. Have recently watched you trying to make a very valid point on the biased and paid media (IBN and Times) about the issues surrounding the recent news.. I and several people was impressed about the way you fired a valid and logical question to Rajdeep and Arnab.. They obviously didnt have anything in response and ensured the truth doesnt come out nor they are not interested in speaking about the truth.. It was a very rude and arrogant behavior by Arnab which hurt me and several Tamil people. He Cant invite you and tell you to shut your mouth which is way too arrogant and rude... It was not a insult on just you.. It was insult to the entire Tamil people.. and a very big insult to the truth...

    I have sent a feedback requesting timesnow that it was rude and that they need to apologies. Guess we should get all other tamils to do the same.. Have read about you and you are truly someone who fights for the right thing... You have been doing a very good job and definitely an inspiration to several people (mainly the younger generation)


    Guess we all should send a letter to Times now and other so called Hinglish (Paid) medias demanding an apology

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  6. Your assertion and points made to the Indian media whores and to the entire nation is appreciable and job well done.

    Saint, Upliftthem

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  7. Mr. Thirumurugan Gandhi.
    This is a lot of research and understanding on the media. Well done. keep up your great work. Look forward to meeting you in future.

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  8. I seen Arnab, he always tries to dominate the debate with loose talking's and unrelavent. He wants himself to be winning the debate with false info to the nation. he never ever gives ample time to the panelist. all these days he fooled nation.
    One more example , reg Salman dance in UP , he started accusing him with rubbish allegation , when Salman had interview with times now he defended with good points and arnad would viewed that ashamed. There are many debates he shld do for timespass no useful. But he can interview with guys who r less caliber to him and were he can dominate and he thinks he is gr8 in his job and the fact he is a zero in this profile. he needs to learn a lot and this is the nation were we pay for learning also.

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  9. Media host trying to put his content to people/representative. Who provide rights to him (media). Media should bring the truth. I think first time North media sweats by your comments. Unnecessary noise won't help. - http://Yourskarthick.blogspot.com

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  10. Hi Thiru,
    Really proud of U. U been the voice of all tamil youths. U should help to understand few tamil people who thinks LTTe as terrorist.Many doesn't knows they were freedom fighters...Expecting more contribution/action from u...all the best

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  11. We are very proud of you Thirumurugan. You have definitely taken the discussion and concern to the next level with appropriate points. I would like to see just you, Arnab and genetically defected Subramania swamy in one separate debate and i bet that would be last debate for Arnab and Swamy. Shameless guys....Hats off Thirumurugan. By the way, i have watched many and I know you were very cool during the debate.

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  12. I believe conspirators if any should be brought to book but that doesnt absolve the assassins of their crime. They have to still face the punishment for it. If we tamils can support the sworn ltte cadre who are foreign nationals (except arivu) what is wrong if a kashmiri supports a pakistani terrorist. After all pakistan separated from india in 1947 much later than srilankan tamils left tamilnadu. If every state behaves like this what will happen to the fragile concept called india. It would be better if the so called tamil activists and politicians work for an early amicable solution to trawler fishing problem affecting srilankan tamils livelihood and lobby for an international enquiry on war crimes in coming unhrc meet rather than playing politics with release of convicted assasins

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    1. Srilankan Tamils left Tamil Nadu??? Please brush up your knowledge in history.... Get your facts right... SL i.e Eelam Tamils are aboriginal people of Eelam.

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    3. i think yur weak in history....if u have time mean try to ready history abut southindian ppls aslo.......srilankan was ruled by tamil kings...those singlese was came frm bangladesh....

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    4. “ You have to find and punish the real killer , not for the buyer of knife, who guided the knife shop , who sold the knife and knife which is used as a weapon to kill”, &
      How our nation leaders and high profile media together mislead the entire nation and entire innocent Indian peoples mind its forcefully recorded that “the killers are from LTTE & supported by tamil community “

      The Supreme court clearly told that this murder doesnt come under TADA, or terrorist act ,so that they released 19 people as innocents, but the sad part of supreme court judgement conclusions are based on the SIT investigation and the information collected from TADA act, these people are never inquired again by Supreme court as normal murder case, If SC inquiry freshly made, the true killer could have found", And for History If you believe Ramayana and Raman, then Ravanan is the king who ruled srilanka , he is tamil king, If you consider this as story then , lot other evidence available in web. First read it

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    5. I am happy that so many brothers have responded to my post. Brothers lets not take this emotional but as an opportunity to see each others point. I am not a history expert but do know a little bit of history. Yes srilankan tamils have an independant history of origin in lanka of course reinforced by conquering kings from mainland starting from elara chola. Same way sinhalese have their own history of native origin from raksha yaksha naga clans ofcourse reinforced by exiled king from west bengal. For that matter contrary to what our dravidian politicians want us to believe according to genetic studies we dravidians both indian and lankan belong to the same Mediterranean racial stock as north indians and sinhalese. We all came from the Mediterranean after indian subcontinent crashed with eurasia albeit in different periods. The only representatives of native negroid race of gondwanaland today are andaman aboriginals and a few aboriginals in central india. So apart from a few indentured plantation labourers taken from tamilnadu by british all other srilankan tamils are srilankan natives or migrants from here who went with the invasion of our ancient tamil rulers too early in history. They are not part of indian nation. Will we accept our north east indian brothers supporting a chinese criminal just because they share a common looks race culture and heritage with chinese. No definitely not. Then how is it proper for us to speak for this srilankan criminals. Then coming to the knife story said by a brother dear bro nowhere ipc says if there is a conspiracy behind a murder only the conspirators should be punished and the perpetrators of that conspiracy can be left out as innocents. Let the conspirators if any including s swamy c swamy and karunanithi (who was also named in jain report which brought down gujral govt but conveniently left out by tirumurugan sir) be punished. But that does not allow these culprits to walk scot free.

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    6. What was the crime committed by Perarivalan? He was made to buy a pair of batteries that would later be used as one of the component of the explosive device. He was 19 then. Absolutely unaware of the intention behind this purchase. Does he deserve 23 years long imprisonment? you call him a culprit who should not go scot free? .. Don't try to wear Pseduo-tamil sympathiser mask..Your knowldege is half baked and unreliable. The second post you have uploaded shows that you did a fairly good research on Google to know about the Srilankan Tamils. Before this googling, you said that they were all migrants from India !! That was your original stuff. There was no country called India before Independence. Birth of India was like a marriage of convenience.If my fellow Tamil Fishermen, numbering over 500 so far, getting killed by enemies, the so called Big Boss India supporting it by keeping quiet, I would say that we all need to reconsider the present status of the marriage of convenience. Let this killing happen in Gujarat water, let 20 Gujarathi Fishermen get killed by Pakistan Navy... will Indian Navy keep quiet?..Bias buddy .. bias.

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    7. Dear bro I dont need ur certificate regarding my stuff. I have a couple of them from top universities in india already. So kindly desist from personal attacks. But lets discuss the point a healthy debate ill be happy if you could shed light on any fact contrary to my conviction.coming to the other three points of you. Life term means till the end of life not 14 years as movies show. It is the case in all countries without capital punishment. Our supreme court too has clearly said that. So nobody can walk out just like that just because they have spent 23 years. Yes perarivalan has a notion of innocence. He might not have known the real need of those batteries but he wasnt able to prove that in a court of law. Thats what courts see. And my personal opinion is he is a citizen of india so a special case among the group some leniency can be shown to him. But even though ltte is good in using innocent people as human shield the other culprits who are foreign nationals sworn ltte cadres cannot use perarivalan as a human shield hide behind him and get out. And coming to your point on india if you want to believe the imperial historians when they say india is a concept brought about by their rule its ok but please know its not the truth. We have references to bharathvarsha lying to the south of snowy mountains and north of ocean in vishnupurana of vedic period. We have kautilya talking about chakravarthishetrin which ideally should extend from mountains to ocean. Even adi sankara who lived much before independance created his four mutts in four corners of todays india not within travancore. Even our tamil literature while speaking of shiva talks about his abode in mt kailash. I can give you umpteen examples to prove the underlying unity even when we didnt have political unity. But thats because without modern transport political unity was difficult to maintain. And coming to your last point on fishermen why do u wanna mix these two issues. What is the relation. God knows I am also on those fishermen side. We can together force the central govt to take action. We can ask our politicians keen in releasing criminals to fight for that cause. But thats an entirely different issue dont mix it with this murder.

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  13. Great Job Mr. T.Gandhi. I totally agree with your point on Arnab as Item Boy. Though i don't accept your ideology, There is a constitutional right of speech for every one in this country to share their PoV. The Host must be polite enough to give space to you for clarifying the so called allegations put by them. But Ironically this was not happening now a days with this Hinglish media. Slap these Paid media crooks. You made my day on this show. Glad to see the Item boy so sheepish.

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  14. The concept is so simple. If you think you cannot succeed in the debate better confuse your opponent. That's it. Arnab is like 23m pulikesi. Thattunkku sattai portal kuttaipaiyan kattaiyal adippan. Arnab: what is thattan? The nation wants to know... he he..

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  15. Well done bro. But it's not enough for that stupid basket

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  16. Bravo Thiru! My admiration and respects to you. I too had a little doubt, whether you lost a good opportunity to explain the Nation patiently, on the other side of the issue, when it mattered most, by simply going non-stop, which was cleverly distorted by Arnab and his technical team. But having read this, I fully agree that this is the best tactic to counter the Clown Arnab.

    Your language was brilliant and that's where most of us stumble, despite having sound facts to discuss on the issue. Hinglish Channels target the people at this weak point (ofcourse it is not), try to embarrass them and shoot them flat.

    Your talk on that day proved how significant it is to be conversant with English at that level, to place the views and points to a larger community.

    Hats off!

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  17. Mr. Gandhi you please start an english New channel for we are here to support you. Arnab your days are counting.

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  18. Mr Gandhi

    You have some excellent points "Rajiv Gandhi was not under any oath ..." You should open the debate with these points. Your attack started of well but you got over excited and in the bargain such important pieces of information were lost out.

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  19. hai, Mr Gandhi, your views on Goswami are true to the core. he is an "item boy"and a "poster boy". i beg top differ on the release of killers.

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  20. Mr. Gandhi, I was waiting for a chance to talk to you.. lucky I see this post. I have all respect for your sediments but you were freaking shouting and behaving very badly on the show. In other words you were doing an Arnab from Panelist side or even worse. Related to the subject, I am of the opinion that they should have been hanged as soon as the supreme court had decided. But, unfortunately, the delay happened and on humanitarian ground, the punishment is reduced. But the way, you people celebrate their release is the only thing to be debated. what is there to celebrate? are they martyrs? they are fkng killers. They were part of the team which scattered our own people bodies into pieces. What do you think the relatives, who gave the bits and pieces of the remnant body pieces to earth and fire looks into this celebration. you are arguing that this is not terrorist activity then what the hell on earth you would call as terrorist activity? and please dont argue that they are innocents. The highest court of the land had adjudged them already. If you can not abide by it you are eligible to be called Anti national.

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    1. “ You have to find and punish the real killer , not for the buyer of knife, who guided the knife shop , who sold the knife and knife which is used as a weapon to kill”, &
      How our nation leaders and high profile media together mislead the entire nation and entire innocent Indian peoples mind its forcefully recorded that “the killers are from LTTE & supported by tamil community “

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    3. The land of the law said, Nethaji, Bhagat Singh were a terrorist..Just a thought..

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    4. @Rajasekar - they are not tools but integral part of the plot. As in any case there might have lapses in which some big fishes could escape but the caught fishes are not innocent. I believe in the constitution and justice system and i do believe their verdict. this was not decided in facebook but through thorough inquiry in which the accused were given ample chance to prove their case.

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    5. @Chella 24 - those martyrs were not punished by law of the land which was approved by the people of the land. But the current set up is democratic and we have constitution, just think about it. you cannot just kill a leader and justify the killing. just think once more.

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    6. @The Saddest Demise Of Rajiv Gandhi :

      GK Mooppanar went to a petty shop, for buying Pan Parag;

      Vaazhappaadi Ramamoorthy dropped from Rajiv's car and ran away to meet the Famous Congress Leaders Actresses Deepa or Maya, in the middle of the journey towards Sriperumpudur;

      P Chidambaram went to his PanBroker office, for checking that day’s collection;

      Jayanthi Natarajan went to a jewel shop, for buying an ear ring.

      Then, Rajiv Gandhi Alone Died.

      Bhaarath Maathaki Jay!!!

      #whokilledrajiv

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    8. Athilai, just because we live in a republic, it doesn't whatever this government done has approval of people... Please go and read what is TADA. These people were framed into thiscase using the TADA act. TADA act is inhuman, unconstitutional, draconian hence this law was scrapped by the judiciary and government already. Even if they arrested you, your father mother under this act you would have been rajiv killer by this time... You need not have any role in rajiv killing just getting framed under this law is enough... Punishing these innocent people using TADA was a disgrace for Indian judiciary... Indian judiciary is still evolving don't think its gifted from heavens and its complete... These innocents must be released real convicts must be investigated before they dies, i.e chandra swamy and subramanian swamy.

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    9. போபால் விஷவாயு இறப்பு (அ)கொலை சம்பவ( குற்றவாளி)காரணகர்த்தாவை தனி ஹெலிகாப்டரில் தப்புவிக்க உதவிய தனிப்பெரும் தலைவருக்கு ஏன் இந்திய சட்டம் பாயவில்லை? அதென்ன அவர்களின் சட்டை பொத்தான்களா? உங்கள் வசதிக்கான மறதியை பாராட்ட வார்த்தைகள் இல்லை... 'அதிலை' தமிழர் என நினைத்து அல்ல இந்த பதில்(!) மனதில் மனிதம் வேண்டியே.....

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    10. Was The power person behind the Indian army sent to Lanka which did so much atrocities and sport tamil there , 2 decades before, awarded by any of panel courts??

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  21. Well Done Anna...This participation will definitely trigger a new dimension of discussion at the national level ( i mean among people) in identifying the true 'truth' behind Rajiv's killing in contrast to the fabricated 'truth' that prevails until recently ....
    Hope my dear north Indian friends will do some research or try and find the true 'truth' instead of just blindly believing in what the 'news hours' and 'prime times' project as 'truth'.
    Thanks fellow north Indian friends for such an effort.

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  22. Anna i saw your debate ...really proud of you....hats off to you...for raising your voice and registered your points ....you are right in what you did that day..it was a fitting response and questions to the nation to soul search... as i was searching about Jain commission report after u spoke about it...i think any neutral citizen will try to draw a larger perspective...

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  23. Thanks thiru, north will sure start to realize the voice of tamils.

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  24. Sir,
    I googled after your interview to find out more about Jain cimission's report against Subramanian Swamy but i could not find more relevant information regarding this accusation. Even in wikipedia "Assassination of Rajiv Gandhi" it is mentioned Jain commission accused Chandraswami (an accomplice of Narasimha Rao) as conspiring for the assassination and added as suspect. Jain Commission link is not available in Wikipedia. Could you please help me to understand the findings in Jain Commission so that people can validate your accusations.

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    1. http://realkillersofrajiv.blogspot.in/

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    2. http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?205868-0

      http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?204614

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  25. Hello,

    I wrote the following on fb regarding your debate...

    The following post is based on "Times Now" News Hour discussion happened yesterday regarding the release of 7 convicts (they are languishing in the jail for the last 23 years). As usual the discussion was between 7 panellists vs 1 Arnab and Arnab was the only person talking, never allowed Tirumurugan Gandhi to speak (at some point of time both were talking/screaming... not able to hear who was talking what). On the top of it he said " keep quiet " " switch of mike" etc... the way he handles this show is very absurd and rude... I do not know why the panellists are attending his show when he is not allowing them to speak... he is prejudice in all the issues... the `news hour' is for him to show his "lung power"...and `the nation does not want to know' anything what he utters!

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1888541_10151880330030936_637194313_n.jpg

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  26. Strange! Central Govt wants a revision on SC's verdict of dropping Death Sentence for Rajiv Case Convicts, but advises Supreme Court that no death for Italy Marines.

    Life of poor Fishermen is not that worth as Rajiv's?

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  27. Hats off. The Media guys thinks that they are supreme's of the debates and feel as justice and make others corner by not giving chance to explain, counter questions and unfortunate history. Likewise every dissociation of hype, the artificial media hype also will be dissociation at one time. Media, please be genuine and follow the ethics while on any debate.

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  28. you did your job excellently Gandhi. we salute you . We already know that arnab is a irritating man in his debates .

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  29. I am happy that so many brothers have responded to my post. Brothers lets not take this emotional but as an opportunity to see each others point. I am not a history expert but do know a little bit of history. Yes srilankan tamils have an independant history of origin in lanka of course reinforced by conquering kings from mainland starting from elara chola. Same way sinhalese have their own history of native origin from raksha yaksha naga clans ofcourse reinforced by exiled king from west bengal. For that matter contrary to what our dravidian politicians want us to believe according to genetic studies we dravidians both indian and lankan belong to the same Mediterranean racial stock as north indians and sinhalese. We all came from the Mediterranean after indian subcontinent crashed with eurasia albeit in different periods. The only representatives of native negroid race of gondwanaland today are andaman aboriginals and a few aboriginals in central india. So apart from a few indentured plantation labourers taken from tamilnadu by british all other srilankan tamils are srilankan natives or migrants from here who went with the invasion of our ancient tamil rulers too early in history. They are not part of indian nation. Will we accept our north east indian brothers supporting a chinese criminal just because they share a common looks race culture and heritage with chinese. No definitely not. Then how is it proper for us to speak for this srilankan criminals. Then coming to the knife story said by a brother dear bro nowhere ipc says if there is a conspiracy behind a murder only the conspirators should be punished and the perpetrators of that conspiracy can be left out as innocents. Let the conspirators if any including s swamy c swamy and karunanithi (who was also named in jain report which brought down gujral govt but conveniently left out by tirumurugan sir) be punished. But that does not allow these culprits to walk scot free.

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    1. Even that is the case, have a full fledged investigation on Rajiv's assassination and hang who are all really involved. You guys are jumping like anything after Tamil govt. is trying release based on the court's decision which is legal. But you are very happy to see there is no inquiry is made on S Sami or C Sami (even K.nidi), and these guys are still free and dominant in politics. I'm agree with you that these guys can be hanged along with all the other culprits behind this. Otherwise, just keep shut.

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    2. Court did not order to free them it just commuted the death to life sentence. Life sentence means till the end of life not 14 years which is clearly mentioned in the verdict. state govt can consider remitting that ONLY with the concurrence of centre. But this case is a high profile political assasination where the culprits are foreign nationals. So the sentence should not be remitted. P.S even if the sentence is remitted except arivu where ll the others go? They are not indian citizens. So they cant stay here legally. They dont hold a valid passport so cant leave the country or apply for visa.

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    3. @Aravinth, What ever nonsense you puke in English in the name of certificate from top Indian universities can't become truth... If you degree from useless Indian universities I have degree from top European university, will accept whatever I say?? Please get a scholarly advice from historians or refer some scholarly books to brush up your understanding about both history and jurisprudence.

      1. What is there right now in Srilanka is conflct between two linguistically divided communities... Among the two languages Sinhala and Tamil, Tamil is aboriginal to the island alongwith other austro-asiatic language. Sinhala is Indo-aryan language, which reached the island after arrival of vijaya. Therefore to claim tamils as immigrants shows how farcical your knowledge is...

      2. Supreme court already given permission for remission, go and read the judgement properly. Next these 7 people are 100% innocents who don't have anything to do with the assasination of rajiv. All them were framed using the draconian TADA evidence. Go and lear what is TADA and how brutal and inhuman the investigations were.. So stop puking here without even knowing ABC's of law and justice...

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    4. mahatama got assassinated on the 6th attempt.
      11 accussed total, only two got hanged.
      remaining life sentence - got released after 16yrs
      remaning nine accussed cime was trying to kill him the previous 5 unsuccessful attempts, give the gun to kill gandhi etc.

      rajiv gandhi got assassinated
      killer got killed in the spot others main master minds encountered.
      remaining accused got death sentence but not implemented & after 23 yr the punishment got reduced to life sentence because of the incapability of our govt to fulfill the judgement with 1 and half yrs of issuing the penalty.

      now my question is why this impartiality in both these cases

      is rajiv greater than mahatma
      is RSS stronger than the normal people down south

      but i am not justifying the killing by any means we are leaving in a so called democratic country where we cant bring the big people under the judiciary which show or incapability.

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    5. @ envirovivek we are not discussing which is the top university. Are we? So cut that bullshit. By the way thanks for appreciating my english. Now coming to your points.
      1. Ok ill accept you as an erudite scholar in srilankan history. For once lets accept srilankan tamils are native aboriginals of lanka. So that means the only relation they have with indian tamils is they share a common culture and language right? So bro just answer my one question straight. Consider a chinese national infiltrates india and kills manmohan today. Will we accept if the people of northeast india support him and demand his release just because they share the same race and culture with chinese? If not dont expect me to support these convicts too.
      2. If you want to consider those people 100% innocent go ahead. But ill go with the findings of my supreme court. You being a jurisprudential scholar you might be very well aware of the fact that supreme court even in its latest judgement has commuted only the sentence not the conviction. And it has said remission can be given as per procedure. The procedure as given in ipc 143 and 145 if I am not wrong is that for cases involving union law and those investigated by cbi state govt can remit only after central govts concurrence. Here not only the procedure established by law is flouted we are forgetting the fact that this is a high profile political assasination involving FOREIGN NATIONALS. So my opinion is arivu who is an indian can avail all the protection of law as laid out but I am against releasing others who are ALIENS - @arun This is infact the difference between mahatma gandhi case and this.
      3. Finally b4 finalising their innocence please ponder over these questions.
      1. Are they members of the violent organisation called ltte?
      2. Are they illegal aliens in Indian soil?
      3. Did they gloat over their achievement of killing rajiv without any remorse soon after their arrest?
      If the answers to the above questions is yes which definitely is then please dont expect me to buy your argument of innocence. Why did they infiltrate india if not to kill.

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    6. /////@ envirovivek we are not discussing which is the top university. Are we? So cut that bullshit./////

      He he he who brought that bullshit in this thread first?? Isn't you who bragged shamelessly about your bullshit indian university ROFL

      ////By the way thanks for appreciating my english./////

      Lol again you are proving your peanut sized brain... Where did I appreciated your Engligh skills... I said don't puke in english... ROFL don't keep bragging and begging for appreciation in streets... LOL :D

      //// Now coming to your points.
      1. Ok ill accept you as an erudite scholar in srilankan history. For once lets accept srilankan tamils are native aboriginals of lanka.////

      Ha ha, is not for once, Its common sense and knowledge among educated people that Tamils are aborigines of Srilanka, and sinhalese are immigrants few thousand years back, after Aryans dominated North India...

      ////So that means the only relation they have with indian tamils is they share a common culture and language right?////

      The population between the Eelam and TN were always floating for cultural and entrepreneurial ventures and they have strong cultural ties...

      //////So bro just answer my one question straight. Consider a chinese national infiltrates india and kills manmohan today. Will we accept if the people of northeast india support him and demand his release just because they share the same race and culture with chinese? If not dont expect me to support these convicts too. /////

      But in the case of Rajiv it was CIA and MOSSAD who killed rajiv. LOL comparing chinease with stateless eelam people during 1980's??? What a peanut sized brain do you have??? Kiddoo grow up and learn ABC's first... Try giving good example... Even if North-east people's states decide they wanna release someone its their right.... They don't need approval from peanut sized brains...

      /////2. If you want to consider those people 100% innocent go ahead.////

      Nothing to imagine or to believe here... Its already out in public the people who did investigation had accepted they didn't record properly the statements while TADA investigations.

      //////But ill go with the findings of my supreme court./////

      What else your could Mr.peanut sized???

      /////You being a jurisprudential scholar you might be very well aware of the fact that supreme court even in its latest judgement has commuted only the sentence not the conviction./////

      It's so because that's the prayer before Honorable SC judges... People who filed the petition filed it for commuting the death sentence by citing the inordinate delay only. None asked for review of the previous SC judgement....

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    7. /////And it has said remission can be given as per procedure. The procedure as given in ipc 143 and 145 if I am not wrong is that for cases involving union law and those investigated by cbi state govt can remit only after central govts concurrence./////

      Mr. peanut sized, It's not concurrence, its consulting... Read the judgement properly, don't puke whichever nonsense you get in your rotten brain...

      //////Here not only the procedure established by law is flouted we are forgetting the fact that this is a high profile political assasination involving FOREIGN NATIONALS./////

      Constitution of India doesn't differentiate between the Rajiv Gandhi or other common citizen... Therefore these words high profile low profile is shit arguments... Rajiv was not even a MP when was killed.

      Mr. peanut sized brain, its not only foreign nationals, even foreign government organisations like MOSSAD and CIA were also involved.... Read the following article for Dummies like you...
      http://www.confront2change.blogspot.in/2014/02/mysteries-of-rajiv-gandhi-assassination.html

      //////So my opinion is arivu who is an indian can avail all the protection of law as laid out but I am against releasing others who are ALIENS -/////

      Who the heck are you, to shed your rotten opinion on this??? All the 7 people are innocents... Keep blabbering whatever shit you want... Its people like you who are blood thirsty towards the innocent people are the alien to humanity...

      ///////@arun This is infact the difference between mahatma gandhi case and this.
      3. Finally b4 finalising their innocence please ponder over these questions. /////

      He he he ponder??? Mr.peanut size first you learn the ABC's in history and Jurisprudence....

      /////1. Are they members of the violent organisation called ltte?/////

      Whatever USA pukes, you too would puke the same???

      /////// 2. Are they illegal aliens in Indian soil? //////

      All of them entered India through proper immigration check, none of them are illegal aliens... The people who entered illegally and helped in rajiv assassination for CIA and MOSSAD are all killed themselves in Bangalore....

      ////// 3. Did they gloat over their achievement of killing rajiv without any remorse soon after their arrest?//////

      come on don't parrot the nonsense puked by Subramanina swamy in useless Hinglish media.... Do you have the proofs confirming that they gloated the achievement of killing Rajiv??? Stop shitting in your own pants...

      ////If the answers to the above questions is yes which definitely is then please dont expect me to buy your argument of innocence. /////

      The answer is no for all your questions.... go count how many hairs are there on the egg shell you kiddo...

      /////Why did they infiltrate india if not to kill./////

      oh you think they infiltrated without even proper immigration certificate??? could you show that from the SC judgement??? Moron don't keep on hallucinating what ever nonsense you get in your peanut sized brain....

      GROOOOOOOOOOOOW UPPPPPP!!!!

      And don't get angry on tamils for after reading my reply.... For sure you would get angry reading my reply.... Am 100% non-tamil.... A telugu... So don't get angry on Tamils for this reply... For a change get angry on a Telugu, who is against your Peanut sized brain...

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    8. @envirovivek. I believe Telugu people have a rich cultural heritage. I find it difficult to take in the fact that you are a telugu from the cultural deficiency you show by attacking the opponent in debate by levelling personal attacks calling names and denying facts. But I am a pucca tamilian (an objective not emotional one). We tamils maintain a dignity even in war leave alone a debate. Thats our culture. So I ll not rebutt with the same personal attacks as you. Just reply to the relevant points highlighted by you.
      The university point was said in a context. Read the whole thread before u post some nonsense.
      About your aryan domination theory I have already said in a previous post both aryans and dravidians belong to the same racial stock the Mediterranean race. So we all are migrants from central asia only the period of migration differ. The only aboriginals of subcontinent are the negroid race of andamans.
      If they are really innocent let them file a review petition in sc to reopen the investigation remove the inconsistencies of previous investigation. We are a democratic country with an independant judiciary. Let the court pronounce them innocent not the street nor some politicians for vote.
      Read some nice book on jurisprudence or consult an expert on the subject to understand the meaning of consulting and concurrence.
      Assassination is different from murder. Thats y we have two different words in english to denote each. Consult some dictionary to know the difference.
      Yes cia and mosad may be involved hang them. But that does not make people who carried out the act and those who helped it innocent. If I am not wrong nalini is a member of and the only surviving member of the 5 member killer squad.
      And a final word to all those who are crying discrimination against tamils. These convicts are still alive only because they speak tamil and they have support in tamilnadu. Just recall what happened to afzal guru. Convicted in more or less similar case for similar crimes he was hanged after 10 years in jail that too in utmost secrecy without even allowing customary last meeting with wife and kid.
      So dont press the point hard.

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    9. //////@envirovivek. I believe Telugu people have a rich cultural heritage. I find it difficult to take in the fact that you are a telugu from the cultural deficiency/////

      Even-though you are doctor you should not use the word deficiency at inappropriate contexts he he... Yes am a Telugu, I don't want people to scold again Tamils for my rude responses... Stupid pea nut size brainees are taking goodness of Tamils as advantage... That's why I had to acknowledge the fact...

      //////you show by attacking the opponent in debate by levelling personal attacks calling names and denying facts.////

      Unakkellam enna mariyadhai??? You shamelessly defend the injustice, hold brief for CIA and MOSSAD why should I speak softly to you?? People who support CIA and MOSSAD are the real anti-people, please think over Mr.Peanut size...

      /////But I am a pucca tamilian//////

      Nee ellam manishane illai.... Apram enna pucca sokka???

      /////(an objective not emotional one)./////

      Eppa mudiyala.... Do you think I am here in support of Justice out of emotion?? First give thought whether are you holding brief in support of justice or injustice here???

      //////We tamils maintain a dignity even in war leave alone a debate./////

      Adhu endha war rasa??? Konjam velakkumaara velakkunga??? Modhalla nee ellam manishane illai nu solaraen ella... All the seven people are innocents, you couldn't digest the fact and jumping up and down like a headless chicken.....

      /////Thats our culture.//////

      Saaamy sathyama mudiyala....

      /////So I ll not rebutt with the same personal attacks as you./////

      Morons like you deserve more than this... I am sure you are great fan of Modi, Subramanian swamy, Cho ramasamy right?? Half mental...

      //////Just reply to the relevant points highlighted by you. /////

      U were just puking from the beginning you haven't rebutted anything so far....

      //////The university point was said in a context. Read the whole thread before u post some nonsense.////

      Stop begging for appreciation and bragging about hollowness of yours.... Get to the point....

      //////About your aryan domination theory I have already said in a previous post both aryans and dravidians belong to the same racial stock the Mediterranean race. So we all are migrants from central asia only the period of migration differ. The only aboriginals of subcontinent are the negroid race of andamans.////

      Astro asiatic tribes are also aboriginals of the land... The main need for speaking about aryan is because, its the aryans who are ruling the status quo and they are the ones hegemonically controlling the who Indian government system.. They are the ones sell the country for ransom. Take for example CIA and MOSSAD stooge subramanian swamy... It's the aryans who entered late into the country and brought in stinking vedic religion and imposed caste system on people and spreading the nonsense called Hinduthva here in this country... That's the reason one is in a situation to condemn the recent migration of aryans... Aryans migrated just few thousand years back with the nonsense called sanskrit and started using it a language of power to control the masses through religion. All from Africa no issues, but these Aryan fanatics like subramanian swamy and cho ramasamy and their followers like you must stop imposing vedic justice system on innocents of this country....

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      /////If they are really innocent let them file a review petition in sc to reopen the investigation remove the inconsistencies of previous investigation./////

      I've said in the same in various comments of mine that, "Indian judiciary is still evolving don't think its gifted from heavens and its complete..." Our judiciary is not yet equipped like various other world countries to take in the fresh evidences even agains the SC. The judicial review process is too limited. Moreover the very reason many people repeatedly ascertaining the fact that these 7 people are innocent is to bring a social consensus among public and so that we could force the government (as the citizens) to bring the real culprits Subramanian swamy and Chandra swamy to book. These people are not small powerless persons, they are stooges of CIA and MOSSAD launching a case against them is not only the burden of these 7 convicts, its duty of all of us to strive for justice and truth. We must fight for it. These 7 Innocents spent a lot of time and energy already, they must be released immediately.

      /////We are a democratic country/////

      Democracy means not surrendering to whatever governemnt or judiciary says... For the right and justice we must be ready to dissent. Dissent is highest form of partiotism says people's historian Howard Zinn of America.... That's what am doing...

      ////with an independant judiciary.////

      Judiciary too falters at times... That's how the previous judgement which convicted these 4 with capital punishment. That is miscarriage of justice. Even in the case of Afzal, Bhullar issues also there is serious miscarriage of justice is there...

      /////Let the court pronounce them innocent not the street nor some politicians for vote./////

      Who the dash are you to say this. I am convinced these 7 are innocents... After all in democracy it's people and street protests which has the ultimate power. Judiciary is not all in a democracy. It's the people's verdict is the final... As a elected government, elected representatives has all the power to release these 7 innocent prisoners immediately using the powers bestowed on them in constitution (Go and check section 161).

      And read what Justice Chandru say's don't jump like headless chicken... He supports immediate release of all 7 prisoners.... Are you bigger dash than learned people like Justice Chandru????

      //////Read some nice book on////

      Kumudham kungmam??? You read it a lot it seems... LoL :D

      /////jurisprudence or consult an expert on the subject to understand the meaning of consulting and concurrence./////

      Let them be there... Let me know the meaning through you own words Mr.Excellency LoL :D Durai Jurisprudence ellam paesudhu... Ulaga padippellam padichchirukkeengalo?? Konjam andha velakkamaara velakkunga??

      /////Assassination is different from murder. Thats y we have two different words in english to denote each. Consult some dictionary to know the difference.//////

      Why are blabbering here without any relevance??? Why do you give this reply??? Are you thinking you writing exam here to fill the reply with whatever nonsense... Mr.peanut size please be specific, don't engage in tit for tat business...

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    11. @Aravinth Mahesh

      /////Yes cia and mosad may be involved hang them.////

      Vaayai therandhaalae Hang dhaan varumo??? I am against death penalty... whomever it may be... First you join with people in the common call for renewed investigations... Democratic people protests only can bring in justice and truth out...

      //////But that does not make people who carried out the act and those who helped it innocent.////

      Helped the assassins with full knowledge of the happenings or without the knowledge of it??? Mr.peanut size don't squeeze your brain too much, its already too small... Try to be on the side of people, don't lick the foot of CIA and MOSSAD stooges....

      ////If I am not wrong nalini is a member of and the only surviving member of the 5 member killer squad.////

      Nee vaaya therandhaalae poi dhaan, idhula dhorai "If am not wrong" nu sentence arambikkuthu... Go and wash the dirt in your brain... She was not one among the team, she was trapped...

      /////And a final word to all those who are crying discrimination against tamils./////

      Nee ellaam manishanae illai... You are stooge of sanskrit fantics and slave od vedic morons....

      ///////These convicts are still alive only because they speak tamil and they have support in tamilnadu./////

      If these innocents gets punished then you would see real culprits in the jail.... None in central or state government has balls to earn the wrath of people. Fuck you moron... stop telling tese cock and bull stories here....

      //////Just recall what happened to afzal guru.////

      He was innocent to blood thirsty morons like you stood for his death, shameless you....

      /////Convicted in more or less similar case for similar crimes he was hanged after 10 years in jail that too in utmost secrecy without even allowing customary last meeting with wife and kid. ////

      miratraarama... Shut the fuck and get lost you moron senseless stupid scum....

      //////So dont press the point hard. /////

      Dei moodikinu pooo... Ellaarum unna maadhiriyae nakkikinu irukka maattaanga... If you have any amount of self-respect in you stand for justice and truth, don't hold brief for CIA and MOSSAD... These 7 people are victims of miscarriage of justice. They are innocents...

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    12. @ indoctrinated fool. Cia mossad itha vita verethuvum theriyatha. 161 justice chandru elam pesa arambichuta padika arambichuta pola. Good read let ur clouded brain clear. Apdiye mudinja innaiku paper paru. Sc has taken up the remission case. Read what they have observed.
      See i am no fan of the people u call aryans (aryans na ne yara mean pannayo avingala than nanum mean panren) nor I am one among them. But unna mathiri muttila moola illa enaku to believe the dravidian parties when they speak about aryan domination. That theory was developed by justice party exclusively to capture power from congress (rajaji) you fool. We talk about discrimination by aryans have we ever thought how we treat people below us at the lowest end of caste spectrum? Podanga******
      Justice? I am also standing for justice for the innocents who died along with rajiv.
      If you really want to fight for justice watch this http://youtu.be/KqG4ntj05ww and fight for justice to these souls. Force your politicians so keen to put up a brave fight to bring those responsible for this inhumanity to justice. Ill join your fight then. Aprama once they are brought to book dont talk of abolition of death penalty and remission for them when I demand their public hanging. Dont call me blood thirsty then.
      Anyways as you have said I am a doctor and I have a status and dignity to maintain. I already feel I have gone below my dignity in having debated with you on equal terms. Dont wanna sink further. So ill quit. One final word
      PODA *****

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  30. its arnab who shows how to reply to him!!! he should question himself about the decency everyday end of the show! seriously he hava 'verbal dysentry' problem..

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  31. Dear Mr. Thirumurugan. The way you put up the right fight was courageous and clear. You spoke in their language. Proud of you

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  32. மிஸ்டர் ராகுல்காந்தி.. ஆந்திராவுக்கு ஒரு நீதி..? தமிழ்நாட்டுக்கு ஒரு நீதியா..?

    காங்கிரஸ்காரர்கள் குண்டு வைத்தால் அது நாட்டுக்கு நல்லது.. தெரியாமல் உதவி செய்து ஒரு பயங்கரத்தில் சிக்கிய அப்பாவிகள் சிறைக்கு வெளியில் இருந்தால் அது தேசத்திற்கே விரோதமா..? என்னவொரு வித்தியாசமான கொள்கையுடன் இருக்கிறீர்கள் மிஸ்டர் ராகுல்..?

    ஒரு படுபயங்கரமான, முதல் குற்றவாளியான ஆயுள் தண்டனை கைதிக்கு 10 ஆண்டுகளே போதுமென்று சொல்லும் உங்களது காங்கிரஸ் கட்சி, இந்த வழக்கில் சதிக்கு உடந்தையாய் இருந்தாய் குற்றஞ்சாட்டப்பட்டு 23 ஆண்டுகளை சிறையில் கழித்துவிட்ட இந்த ஆயுள் தண்டனை கைதிகளின் விடுதலைக்கு மட்டும் எதிர்க்குரல் கொடுப்பது ஏன்..?

    மாநிலத்திற்கு மாநிலம் உங்களது கட்சியின் கொள்கைகள் மாறுமா..? அல்லது இந்திய தேசியம் தமிழகத்தைப் பொறுத்தவரையில் மாற்றாந்தாய் மனப்பான்மையுடன் செயல்படுகிறது என்கிற வார்த்தைக்கு இதுவும் ஒரு உதாரணமா..?

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  33. Thiru,

    I have seen both the debates and appreciate all your effort! Great! Continue your good work!

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  34. Hi Thiru,

    Thanks for detailed account ,what went behind the scenes it gives fair understanding , how he and his manipulate facts to their point of view.

    We should spread the blog to other non tamil speaking friends,and make them aware.

    Once again kudos in cracking their modus operandi. Certainly it has enlightened many on the other side of the hinglish media.

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  35. mr murugan, you were not called on a debate to shout or disrupt it. it is a public forum and you should respect the other people who have appeared there for the debate.

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    1. If you think what arnab conducts is a debate, then I must pity you... Grow up kiddo :D

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    2. I am not here to defend Arnab. I know how he conducts the debates. I am just saying that there also other panelists in the debate who needs to be respected and given chance to speak. The way in which mr. Gandhi conducted will make anyone seeing him first will create a bad impression.

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    3. @Vivek... wake up kiddo.... The debate(?) is a program scheduled for 60 mins and till 45 mins Mr. Thiru was not given the chance to speak. When he started speaking it is been stopped by the loose talk Arnab? What are you expecting Mr. Thiru to react. He has been called for to speak for something but the chance has not given. When Mr. Thiru talkes about Jain commission report, Arnab was telling this is Mr. Thriu's personal agenda. What the hell? Arnab asked for a shout back and he has been given royally.. So WAKE UP KIDDO...

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    4. vivek i my point of view

      all Mr.Gandhi was trying to do is to give his "full thought to the nation" in that process if he is getting a bad impression it doesnt matter at all.the important thing is he made his point clean and clear....

      As it is said by a great young man of India "to be heard in deaf ears of the superiors an explosion was needed"

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  36. Excellent explanation by Mr. Thirumurugan.

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  37. Well done Mr.Gandhi....
    Item boy... surname that best fits him....
    This habit of confusing the participants is an art for these Hinglish media and particular if any Tamilnadu based subject is discussed, i observe these brainless team to portrait Tamils as terrorist.....

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  38. I fail to understand why the killing of Rajeev Gandhi and several others cannot be called a terrorist attack. Here is why it is one:-
    1. It was planned by the most dreaded terrorist organisation of its times - LTTE.
    2. It was directed by the most ruthless terrorists of all times - Prabhakaran.
    3. It was executed by selected members of this terrorist organisation.
    4. A human bomb was used which in itself is used only by terrorist organisations.
    5. Rajeev Gandhi was killed along with scores of other innocents.
    If all these do not constitute acts of terrorism what does? Please do not justify such acts of a terrorist group.
    If Arnab tried to bull doze you it was because of the conviction that he had that you were justifying a terrorist act. To that extent he was right.

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    2. even i agree ur point but wat Mr. gandhi said is

      it is clearly said in both commissions that swami & many others has to be interrogated and being the so called great news reporter he is why wasn't this been discussed even once but him in all this yrs.

      dont u think it is very important to know who was the master mind behind the killing of our ex PM.

      or r u one of them who believes the these r the guys along with prabakaran was the only one behind his killing.

      dont u want to know wat is the out come of the commission after the full investivgation not a half baked and cook one

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    3. From my point of view, its not a terrorist attack, but a well planned political murder (both national and international politics)..
      I hope u understand tamil.. I have shared a documentary about this case. Please watch all parts..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvAK3q4nAw

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  39. நன்றி சகோதரரே

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  40. There are some things and incidents that we must lay to rest. There is no end to ordering Commissions of Inquiries and SIT's in this country. As for the killing of Rajeev, I fail to understand why it was not a terrorist attack and "only a well planned political murder". That is semantics but even the worst critic of Rajeev and the Govt of the day will admit that the LTTE planned and executed it. However, also be aware that despite all the efforts of Prabhakaran, the SIT led by Karthikeyan and a handful of selfless men in uniform tracked down the killers in record time. Ordering an SIT now will only attempt to cloud the guilt of the LTTE which was established beyond reasonable doubt. My dear friend more than a 1000 army men were killed by the LTTE. Some were captured and skinned alive and tortured to death - all on orders of the Supremo Prabhakaran. Let us not belittle their efforts by glorifying the worst terrorists the world has seen. His gory end need not be glorified but surely should not be lamented either.

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    1. /////the SIT led by Karthikeyan and a handful of selfless men in uniform tracked down the killers in record time.//////

      Yuck, enough of your useless stories.... These are cunning stooges of MOSSAD and CIA, worked on the orders of margaret alva and subramanian swamy.... These people are anti-naitonals must be investigated...

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  41. Everyone should know about rajiv case, apart from politics. How these hinglish media publishing for TRP rating, like this idiot Arnab Goswami?... If congress have guts to re investigate this case once again very openly.. why subramanian swamy was so alarming about this case? why he is trying to hide truth to this nation. if he guts to speak front our tamil peoples.

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  42. ok now hypothetically speaking lets consider all the accused in the rajiv gandhi assassination case have been given a life imprisonment (till there death) so u r asured that they cant see the daylight outside the prison for their life time.

    now will u consider that complete justice had been done to all those victims (18 of them) who died along with rajiv.

    is there no one else who could have be convicted, no one else who is still free and ruling the terms inside india.

    i am asking this question to all of them who think these seven people should be hanged.

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  43. English news channels in india are shouting salesman. They dont know how to sell their point. I have seen many debates in their channels. All are mere shouting and suppressing other views with just raising voice. I stopped watching india english news channels. they are mere headache. Better somebody from tamil nadu to start a national english channel. And show this north indian english channel a piece of work. They dont cover the newx all over indi how can they call themselves as national TV. They cover news only from delhi and north india. See BBC they cover news all over the world. Learn from them. Basically all journalist are propagandist.. they propagate their thoughts to world. rather than truth

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  44. This is to Mr. Thriumurugan Gandhi..

    You have written the blog on 'Item Boy' so well, that I cannot believe you are the same guy who appeared on NewsHour!

    Here is my honest opinion of what I feel happened.... I feel that you studied Arnab too much before the show that you got over-prepared, and put yourself in bad light. Arnab is not to be blamed for the way you conducted yourself on a National television--This is where I defer with you.

    As for the points made in this blog (about Arnab), you are spot on! I feel Arnab has a growing ego (esp. after the fall of his rivals -- Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai and the likes) which makes him disrespectful to others' point of view, even when his own position is correct. Yesterday, he tried to outsmart Vice Admiral (retired) P J Jacob who bluntly told Arnab that he doesn't like his show, but had to be there because Media was painting Navy in bad light. But, the retired Admiral was too outspoken for him that he had to tone down as the debate concluded. His ego may become the cause of his fall is near or distant future if he continues the way he does.

    About the debate you participated:
    You *should not* have started off on a heated mode. The first point you should have raised is about the title of the debate which you rightly mention on this blog that convicts cannot be called terrorist. (I am sure he would have argued)
    Ignore Arnab's reaction and continue.. "now I that have established that your title is not just biased but contempt of court" ..(make your conclusion, like he does) "You have also ignored reports from various commissions" etc etc..

    Let's face it Gandhi. You drew the sword much before it was called for. Hence to a viewer like me your conduct on Newshour and details on this blog are poles apart.

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  45. Salute to Mr.Thirumurugan Gandhi....

    Who will bell the cat....? Yes, Finally you did the job. Even the stalwart orators like Vaiko and Ramjethmalani could not face the heat of Arnaab and exited the debate, you had given your points enough to shut Arnaab's mouth. Now he will enjoy his mouthful for directing the nation in a different way talking rubbish on Tamils.

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